Cardiff123
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Where's that?I think the Northern City Line actually has a wire through the tunnels (though not energised) in case someone forgets to put down the pantograph.
Where's that?I think the Northern City Line actually has a wire through the tunnels (though not energised) in case someone forgets to put down the pantograph.
London (into Moorgate).Where's that?
London (into Moorgate).
When will the TOPS numbers be revealed?
It will not be a 399 sub class as that is a completely different model in the CityLink series , the 399 is pretty much a tram whilst this is much closer to a train that can also be used as a tram as mentioned.I'm not sure, although I think it's logical to assume the DMUs will be Class 197 and the tram trains a Class 399 subclass.
It will not be a 399 sub class as that is a completely different model in the CityLink series , the 399 is pretty much a tram whilst this is much closer to a train that can also be used as a tram as mentioned.
I don't think it would be the same class to be honest.It doesn't really matter whether they're used on light rail or heavy rail more than the other. The Supertram and TfW Rail Citylinks will still share the same platform (the one difference is the TfW Rail ones will be high floor), therefore it is logical to assume the latter will be given a 399/? subclass designation.
The design of this specific CityLink is a train tram and not a tram train. There are many sub models on the CityLink platform , the CityLink platform consists of trams that can be used as trains and trains that can be used as trams , I'll post the models when I get home. Also I believe the FLIRT Demus will be 2xx and the tri modes will be 7xx.It doesn't really matter whether they're used on light rail or heavy rail more than the other. The Supertram and TfW Rail Citylinks will still share the same platform (the one difference is the TfW Rail ones will be high floor), therefore it is logical to assume the latter will be given a 399/? subclass designation.
The design of this specific CityLink is a train tram and not a tram train. There are many sub models on the CityLink platform , the CityLink platform consists of trams that can be used as trains and trains that can be used as trams , I'll post the models when I get home.
Also I believe the FLIRT Demus will be 2xx and the tri modes will be 7xx.
Everything I can find about TfW Rail's Citylinks, including on Stadler's website, refers to them as tram trains.
A train-tram isn't a thing tram-train is a spectrum and some citylinks are closer to one end of each, it's a term to say that a tram train is closer to a train in which the citylink for Wales is as it's confirmed to be a heavy rail train north of queen street and managing director of KA said that it's closer to a train so did Ken Skates.Yeah this is clearly not a train-tram.
The design of this specific CityLink is a train tram and not a tram train.
A train-tram isn't a thing tram-train is a spectrum and some citylinks are closer to one end of each,
I will show you the citylink series:
It's a different train mate that is very unrealistic and flawed 399 is a tram-train from years ago and is different. 357 and 377 are the same so is the 379 and they're way more similar than the citylinks. This is extremely unlikely.Eh? You said they're train trams and now you're saying train trams aren't a thing.
It still doesn't matter whether a tram train is used on heavy or light rail more than the other, it is still a tram train. There aren't any specific variants of a tram train.
The Supertram Citylinks and the TfW Rail Citylinks will be based on the exact same platform (the only difference between them is the TfW Rail ones will be high floor), and because of this I would say it's logical to assume they will share the same class number.
Personally, I will be very surprised if TfW Rail's tram trains aren't designated as Class 399s.
It's a different train mate that is very unrealistic and flawed 399 is a tram-train from years ago and is different. 357 and 377 are the same so is the 379 and they're way more similar than the citylinks. This is extremely unlikely.
I stated that the assumption that they will be a 399 subclass is flawed.Other than the floor height, no, they are not different. The TfW tram trains will use the exact same Citylink tram train platform as the Class 399s.
Having been on three of them, I would not call the Class 399 "flawed", and they were only built a couple of years ago.
As you're someone who doesn't know what PRM is, I'll take what you say about this with a massive pinch of salt and await a more credible and reliable source.It's a different train mate that is very unrealistic and flawed 399 is a tram-train from years ago and is different. 357 and 377 are the same so is the 379 and they're way more similar than the citylinks. This is extremely unlikely.
I will show you the citylink series:
Lastly, the vehicle in the middle is the Welsh Citylink which is designed for majority train running:
It's a different train mate that is very unrealistic and flawed 399 is a tram-train from years ago and is different. 357 and 377 are the same so is the 379 and they're way more similar than the citylinks. This is extremely unlikely.
Note, there is utterly no difference in using the term tram-train or train-tram.
I stated that the assumption that they will be a 399 subclass is flawed.
Current edition of Modern Railways fills in some more blanks.
14 X 3 car CAF's will be introduced as standard only and then have First Class sections retrofitted in them for Dec 2024 launch of 1st Class on Manchester to Swansea services. So enough of them to fulfill hourly service.
The Milford Haven services will be 2 car units detaching/attaching at Swansea. Other West Wales services will be 3 car Class 170's plus 2 car 170's on HOW.
Only 21 x 2 car CAF's will be fitted with ETCS. Is that pool big enough for Cambrian/Birmingham/ 2 hourly to Holyhead?
Won’t that limit flexibility only fitting 21?Current edition of Modern Railways fills in some more blanks.
14 X 3 car CAF's will be introduced as standard only and then have First Class sections retrofitted in them for Dec 2024 launch of 1st Class on Manchester to Swansea services. So enough of them to fulfill hourly service.
The Milford Haven services will be 2 car units detaching/attaching at Swansea. Other West Wales services will be 3 car Class 170's plus 2 car 170's on HOW.
Only 21 x 2 car CAF's will be fitted with ETCS. Is that pool big enough for Cambrian/Birmingham/ 2 hourly to Holyhead?