Wakefield Kirkgate refurbishment

[Crossover]

Well a couple of months ago I went from Denby Dale to Huddersfield p4.... But you're right that p8 isn't accessible from that line.

Re Huddersfield, could an Adelante fit its first 3 coaches into platform 6, and the rest of it foul the p5 line but not p4 or p8 lines? I think it probably could, though would doubtless cause issues with overlaps and signal sighting.

I had thought I'd seen a crossover to get to/from p4 and the Penistone Line

As for p6, I doubt it, for two reasons.
1. The train would be miles in front of the signal (and possibly in a situation of activating the next track circuit)
2. The two bays have derailers on them, so I suspect fouling the end of the line would foul up about 3/4 of Huddersfield station!

 

[34D]

Very fair comments. I'm surprised actually that there is no facility to reverse in plats 1 or 8. There isn't even a facility to do an OOS shunt.

Just in case Quail is wrong, could someone double-check the location of the trailing crossover at the east end at some point? Seems to have no purpose otherwise.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

By town population, only Walsall is larger and has no direct service. The rest (over 100,000 residents) are: Middlesbrough, Blackpool, Bolton, Telford, Rotherham, Sutton Coldfield, Blackburn, Oldham and St Helens.

You would be hard pressed to find any opportunity these days to see a direct Oldham to London service, now that any heavy rail service possibilities for such has been terminated by the conversion of these to the light rail Manchester Metrolink system.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

You would be hard pressed to find any opportunity these days to see a direct Oldham to London service, now that any heavy rail service possibilities for such has been terminated by the conversion of these to the light rail Manchester Metrolink system.

Indeed, I put it in for completeness more than anything. Of course there is still Greenfield and Mills Hill (I think) within its metropolitan borough, so not all hope is lost in one sense

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Mention Greenfield, and those Yorkshire folk on the other side of the tunnel at Marsden will also jealously want such a service...but with regard to Mills Hill (famous for being something of a record holder of the longest time period between closing then reopening), you have more chance of seeing London services running from a reopened station at Daisyfield in your own environs than of such a service ever running from Mills Hill railway station..

 

[Crossover]

Very fair comments. I'm surprised actually that there is no facility to reverse in plats 1 or 8. There isn't even a facility to do an OOS shunt.

Just in case Quail is wrong, could someone double-check the location of the trailing crossover at the east end at some point? Seems to have no purpose otherwise.

The only crossover at the Dewsbury (East?) end of platform 1 is to get trains off the "main" line and into platforms 4, 6 and 7

 

[yorkie]

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(Is it possible that a mod could consider splitting this Huddersfield discussion into a separate thread?)

I've looked into this. It would be very time consuming, and also tricky as the thread drifts slowly, with some posts referring to both these issues. I have, therefore, renamed the thread instead.

 

[Tomnick]

Very fair comments. I'm surprised actually that there is no facility to reverse in plats 1 or 8. There isn't even a facility to do an OOS shunt.

Just in case Quail is wrong, could someone double-check the location of the trailing crossover at the east end at some point? Seems to have no purpose otherwise.

Entirely from memory, and inevitably clouded by visiting various pubs, I think there's a shunt move east from P1, wrong direction towards a limit of shunt indicator. I don't know whether there's a similar move west from P8 (and P4) into the tunnel, but I've a vague feeling that there is.

 

[Crossover]

Entirely from memory, and inevitably clouded by visiting various pubs, I think there's a shunt move east from P1, wrong direction towards a limit of shunt indicator. I don't know whether there's a similar move west from P8 (and P4) into the tunnel, but I've a vague feeling that there is.

That would make sense.

That being said, if the need arose, then maybe something like what has been done at Banbury with extra signalling added may not be entirely out of the question

 

[Tomnick]

That being said, if the need arose, then maybe something like what has been done at Banbury with extra signalling added may not be entirely out of the question

The previous edition of Quail looks more accurate - if I'm not mistaken, there's physically no route available from P1 towards the Down Main, only towards the LOS on the Up Main - so it'd need an additional trailing crossover as well as new signals!

 

[Crossover]

The previous edition of Quail looks more accurate - if I'm not mistaken, there's physically no route available from P1 towards the Down Main, only towards the LOS on the Up Main - so it'd need an additional trailing crossover as well as new signals!

I believe that would be the case. The layout of the infrastructure isn't currently overly useful for anything that isn't the norm

 

[34D]

A signalled wrong line move to Bradley junction (from p1 at HUD to the crossover at Bradley. Junction) would be one way of achieving that, and could be of use for the (frequent) occasions that Standedge Tunnel is closed and trains call HUD then go through Hebden Bridge.

 

[Tomnick]

I suspect that the increased platform capacity for turning trains back (or terminating them from the east) would be far more than offset by the loss of capacity caused by anything using such a bang-road move!

 

[34D]

I suspect that the increased platform capacity for turning trains back (or terminating them from the east) would be far more than offset by the loss of capacity caused by anything using such a bang-road move!

Yes, but if during engineering works when (usually) two TPE trains per hour each way reverse in Hud, having both roads Bradley Junction-Hud bidi should increase capacity overall. Doubt it would ever happen though.

 

[anti-pacer]

Having not ventured down to the poorer relation of Wakefield's stations recently, does anyone know what's happening with the regeneration of Kirkgate station, or is it still 'pipe dreams'?

 

[armadillomaste]

Looking good at the moment. Staffed as well.

Go down and check it out

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Looking good at the moment. Staffed as well.

Go down and check it out

Is it staffed? I thought they'd only being working on the platforms so far and had only just began touching the building.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Don't think its staffed yet it will be eventually though.

 

[noddingdonkey]

Back in the Arriva days there was, according to the station information posters at various places, a Station Supervisor with the misfortune to be based at Kirkgate, who was responsible for a number of smaller stations in the area.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Are any associated works being carried out in the non-rail buildings that are very near to the station, as I assumed the whole area itself was to be subject to "betterment" (for lack of a more appropriate term) ?

 

[armadillomaste]

Whenever i have been recently the ticket office was open... with a northern rail staff member inside.

 

[yorksrob]

Whenever i have been recently the ticket office was open... with a northern rail staff member inside.

There's a working ticket office in there

It's mainly Sunday's I've seen it recently, so that may have explained why the building has looked unchanged.

 

[Mugby]

Are any associated works being carried out in the non-rail buildings that are very near to the station, as I assumed the whole area itself was to be subject to "betterment" (for lack of a more appropriate term) ?

I doubt if anyone would take on the burnt out pub which is just outside the station. It would be wonderful to see Kirkgate restored to something like it's former glory, it's a great pity though that that end of town is something of a dead area nowadays.

 

[IanXC]

Whenever i have been recently the ticket office was open... with a northern rail staff member inside.

Is there? Whereabout is it located within the building?

Or are we talking someone with an Avantix?

 

[AndyHudds]

Whenever i have been recently the ticket office was open... with a northern rail staff member inside.

Are you sure you're not talking about Westgate?

 

[Haydn1971]

I'm aware of big aspirations for regenerating the area fronting Kirkgate, including finishing the emerald route/ring whatever, getting rid of the 70's style roundabout and old council office, open the frontage up to the station - it's a long term aspiration but there never the less. Look at how the Westgate area is transforming, think similar at Kirkgate.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I'm aware of big aspirations for regenerating the area fronting Kirkgate, including finishing the emerald route/ring whatever, getting rid of the 70's style roundabout and old council office, open the frontage up to the station - it's a long term aspiration but there never the less. Look at how the Westgate area is transforming, think similar at Kirkgate.

I am glad that you made this posting, as it confirms what I was aware of when I made my recent posting.

 

[sheff1]

Whenever i have been recently the ticket office was open... with a northern rail staff member inside.

Well Northern have excelled themselves in hiding that one. Where exactly is it ?

 

[armadillomaste]

Well Northern have excelled themselves in hiding that one. Where exactly is it ?

May have imagined it, i was convinced it was real...

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

May have imagined it, i was convinced it was real...

You are not the only one that a visit in recent past days to Wakefield Kirkgate has led to all sorts of nervous and memory problems after having sight of some of the local "bretheren" on nefarious expeditions...