And yes on TL services,rear 1st is declassified still.Any source for this? Is the rear still declassified on Thameslink services?
GTR had no real say about the 700s.
Didn't know about a Baldock terminator. And are any TL/GN Cambridge services running to Cambridge North (aside from the Kings Lynn ones)?
There is very little splitting and joining in the current timetable compared to the past. Plenty of 365 diagrams work as pairs all day. Likewise many GN services use platforms 0 to 8. It wouldn’t have been that hard to shuffle things to produce a couple of lengthened diagrams.
This is fine. Thanks. Interesting to have first at both ends now only to change it in half a years time.
That’s true,but driver has to put code in for that message to appear,if they been trained /briefed on them properly they won’t put code in. People will have to change habbits(not got on the front or rear set of doors)I wonder what the chances are of the screens in the rearmost 1st class section saying it’s declassified?
There will be many Stevenage commuters using the rearmost set of doors at Stevenage (myself included) who will inadvertently enter the 1st class area of the train and will need to walk through. On a 12-car 365 all the doors can be used by standard class passengers, on the 700s the very front and rear doors lead to the 1st class area.
That’s true,but driver has to put code in for that message to appear,if they been trained /briefed on them properly they won’t put code in. People will have to change habbits(not got on the front or rear set of doors)
Fair enough about the declassification message. I’m sure the Stevenage commuters will learn to adapt.
I’m just a bit surprised that as these trains are designed to be ‘people movers’ that two sets of doors aren’t supposed to be used by standard class passengers. Another reason to have installed a 365 style layout where this doesn’t occur.
It is perfectly permissible to use all doors and walk through first class as necessary.
Is it intentional that these (I think) are the units fitted with seat-back tables?Messages on Twitter last night suggest that 700 125, 700 126 and 700 128 are the pool to be drawn from for Monday's services with 700 139 and 700 140 as hot spares.
Is it intentional that these (I think) are the units fitted with seat-back tables?
This is fine. Thanks. Interesting to have first at both ends now only to change it in half a years time.
Is Peterborough further from London than Bedford ?
Absolutely, it makes a complete mockery of the argument that the trains have to be as undesirable as they are because of the need to run in the high-capacity core. An 8-car 365 has 16 doorways fully available for all to use, whereas a RLU has only 14.
Commuters aren’t going to be impressed on Monday morning.
By the same logic "half" a door on a 365 adjacent to each First Class section is unusable, which equates to two doors in total on a 365 = still 14 effectual usable doorways, on which not all can passengers disperse in both directions.
The 14 doorways in 700s are much wider, open like lightning, and passengers can spread both ways with ease.
Go on, I dare you to actually time the 700 dwell time at Stevenage for the first few days next week, compared to a 365 obviously...
Absolutely, it makes a complete mockery of the argument that the trains have to be as undesirable as they are because of the need to run in the high-capacity core. An 8-car 365 has 16 doorways fully available for all to use, whereas a RLU has only 14.
Commuters aren’t going to be impressed on Monday morning.
Depends. I always go for the 1st class door when boarding at WGC (on 387 operated services) You walk through the coach and nick the last seat while people are disembarking through the standard class doors. A few others do as well. Others may for more standing room. The RPIs wouldn’t penalty fare people standing in the 1st class doors. Just people sitting. May apply to 700s as well.
Ha ,could be a interesting comparisonBy the same logic "half" a door on a 365 adjacent to each First Class section is unusable, which equates to two doors in total on a 365 = still 14 effectual usable doorways, on which not all can passengers disperse in both directions.
The 14 doorways in 700s are much wider, open like lightning, and passengers can spread both ways with ease.
Go on, I dare you to actually time the 700 dwell time at Stevenage for the first few days next week, compared to a 365 obviously...
Yes,something like thatIt's been made clear that bar the branding, the trains will be announced as Great Northern and the screens will show/speak Great Northern. As such, first class will be in operation wherever marked (except perhaps during disruption where an earlier cancelled service could, hopefully, prompt declassification).
Next year, with the new timetable these trains will not exist for GN and be announced as Thameslink, and the rear declassification continues.
QuiteIt is perfectly permissible to use all doors and walk through first class as necessary.
Yes,something like that
Commuters will board through first class and s
If you were holding the doors open to stand partly in first, I'm sure some Passenger Hosts would look unfavourably upon it. On a 700, with manual doors, I am sure it wouldn't go down well. Or did you mean the vestibule? That's first class too and it was only the 321s that the vestibule was separated by doors to each part of first class - and even that was debated with some RPIs believing it to be first class and others not.
No harm sneaking through via first class on a 387 though as you could easily say you didn't notice at first - but staying there? Not wise since it has been made far clearer than ever that it's first class.
Unless I misread?
1. Enter through “first class door” walk directly into standard and get seat....
Ok yesHopefully exactly like that. Once trains start going through the core, they'll be Thameslink services and should be marked as such in the timetables, in apps, on departure boards etc.
Then any 'rules' for Thameslink will naturally apply as they're not Great Northern.
As an aside, I wonder how many passengers will actually think they're independent operators?