MadMarsupial
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On the Buxton line some services are slipping off the journey planner from 04/01/22.
Trains for Blackpool south branch are updated on journey planner for next weekStill no announcement to the public? Is it supposed to be a New Year's surprise?
Much of the old Regional Railways network (not just Northern) is heavily loss-making and many in power will wish to save money by letting it wilt and die away, a sort of Beeching mark 2 by stealth.
Usually the Windermere branch is top of the list to get services cancelled along with the South Fylde branch. I wonder if someone in Northern HQ forgot about it?
Which is great for people who use journey planners, but the people who turn up for regular services on Tuesday morning will be expecting them to run as normal. Southern has announced what they are doing from next week, Northern seem to be keeping it quiet.Trains for Blackpool south branch are updated on journey planner for next week
It's even worse. Some of the trains have already been withdrawn this week. They have just been removed from the data base - there is absolutely no mention of these anywhere. Absolute disgrace.Still no announcement to the public? Is it supposed to be a New Year's surprise?
It's even worse. Some of the trains have already been withdrawn this week. They have just been removed from the data base - there is absolutely no mention of these anywhere. Absolute disgrace.
Northern Trains Timetable Change - 4th January 2022
23/12/2021
As a result of traincrew shortages Northern Trains will introduce amended reduced timetables on several routes from 4th January 2022.
The changes will affect the Airedale, Wharfedale and Harrogate lines amongst others, but no changes are expected on the Leeds - Settle Carlisle or Leeds - Lancaster - Morecambe lines.
The new timetables will be available shortly at: www.northernrailway.co.uk/travel/timetables
Some Halifax- Hull trains have been removed from RTT, but it's hourly with gaps not strictly 2 hourlyThe only place other than here that I've seen anything about it is https://www.dalesbus.org/news
There's no indication on Northern's website that there are any changes to timetables after 3rd January.
It seems they're setting themselves up for complaints from people when their usual train doesn't turn up on Monday.
A couple of years ago, just before Covid, a friend and I walked the area around Snaith and Rawcliffe. The single track serves large villages and passenger numbers reflect thar. Snaith has barely recorded 2000 annual passengers in recent years and Rawcliffe hasn't topped 700.
Chickens and eggs but how many more trains woukd need to stop to make enough difference to justify the provision? This route looks destined for oblivion by stealth. Few users are likely to miss it. Deploying units from busier routes doesn't make commercial sense.
There's one train missing every 4 hours (including the 1715 from Hull), so 1-1-2-1-1-2 gaps.Some Halifax- Hull trains have been removed from RTT, but it's hourly with gaps not strictly 2 hourly
Cancelling Trains due to inoperative heating when they've already cancelled the one before and the one after is not doing much for their already appalling reputation. Especially given the number of trains that operate in service every day with inoperative heating and never get fixed. Me thinks there's a little fib here.
While the number of other passengers alighting at Chathill when I was last there was small, they all looked “genuine” and were all ( but one) picked up by car, so it is arguably serving a genuine purpose!To be honest Chathill could just be closed, it does not really serve any useful purpose. It is a terminus of convenience for the shuttle only, having previously been a junction station not entirely unlike Dyfi but with a few railway cottages. A bit like Bedwyn but smaller.
As for Chathill vs Dent, there appear to be more population within reach of Dent, and of course there is the hillwalker demand.
There is really not a lot more point in Chathill than there is in Berney Arms. Actually, Berney Arms is probably more useful, as walkers use it.
Do you have a source for where that's stated? I can't see it mentioned anywhere on this threadCancelling Trains due to inoperative heating when they've already cancelled the one before and the one after is not doing much for their already appalling reputation. Especially given the number of trains that operate in service every day with inoperative heating and never get fixed. Me thinks there's a little fib here.
Do you have a source for where that's stated? I can't see it mentioned anywhere on this thread
It was a reason given to a colleague earlier who went via Leeds instead but yes I have since seen that exchange there too.A pax complained on Twitter. 6:35 Bradford to Huddersfield or vice-versa.
That was cancelled due to a coolant leak which resulted in only one engine working. Technically no coolant = no heating in that coach, but it was cancelled because running a unit around with only a single engine is a bad idea - not because there was no heating.A pax complained on Twitter. 6:35 Bradford to Huddersfield or vice-versa.
That was cancelled due to a coolant leak which resulted in only one engine working. Technically no coolant = no heating in that coach, but it was cancelled because running a unit around with only a single engine is a bad idea - not because there was no heating.
What I don’t understand is, if a train at 7am is cancelled due to a train fault, why that diagram is still cancelled by the end of the day. We can’t use the argument that there’s no spare stock as they’ve stripped 30% of services for staffing (cost) issues. Is there really not a spare path at any time (given the lower frequency of trains in passenger service) to get a new train from the depot? What do the staff that were booked on that diagram do for the rest of the day when at 7am they find they don’t have a train? Given the “staff shortages” will they be assigned to other services they sign to run extra trains or will they put their feet up for the shift ?Yesterday, the next train after the 1536 Bradford interchange to Huddersfield was the 2136.
3 of the usual trains in between have been removed from the timetable and the other 2 were cancelled on the day.
I was looking at a day out in Manchester on maybe 05/02/22 starting off at Barrow on the 05;49 that normally arrives in Man. Pic at 08;02. But when I looked at RTT the 05;49 is going to be terminated at Preston, but they are running a Blackpool to Manchester Airport. OK just change trains not a problem apart from the Blackpool to Manchester Airport is going to run in the Barrow trains path with no time allowed to change trains. It looks like the same is going to happen with the Windermere to Manchester Airport trains as well.
A work around it could have been run the Blackpools to Wigan and put them into platform 1, then run the Barrow or Windermere in to platform 1 behind the Blackpools, some of the pathing time would be tight but at a quick glance it looks workable.
I suppose it's better than what happened last time when a number of the Barrow trains got terminated at Lancaster.
If the Barrow train arrives on time, it should be possible to dash across from Platform 6 to Platform 4 in 3 minutes. But if you missed this (unofficial) connection, you would be looking at an hour's delay, because the Blackpool - Hazel Grove services will be terminating at Bolton.In my post above I should have mentioned that this is due to engineering work between Bolton and Salford Crescent.
It’s very odd that staff won’t say this. They’re setting themselves up for bad reviews. Just saying there’s a problem with one engine would suffice. People would understand this.
What I don’t understand is, if a train at 7am is cancelled due to a train fault, why that diagram is still cancelled by the end of the day. We can’t use the argument that there’s no spare stock as they’ve stripped 30% of services for staffing (cost) issues. Is there really not a spare path at any time (given the lower frequency of trains in passenger service) to get a new train from the depot? What do the staff that were booked on that diagram do for the rest of the day when at 7am they find they don’t have a train? Given the “staff shortages” will they be assigned to other services they sign to run extra trains or will they put their feet up for the shift ?
Yesterday being Thursday 6 January, for departures from Huddersfield to Bradford RTT shows:
0635 Cancelled - M8 Other technical failures above the Solebar
0835 Ran
1035 Ran
1235 Ran
1435 Ran
1635 Cancelled - TI Train-crew rostering problem
1835 Cancelled - TI Train-crew rostering problem
2035 Ran
So I'm not sure where you're looking at for it to be cancelled for the rest of the day comes from?