Door controls left open

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  1. GodAtum

    GodAtum Established Member

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    If a door control is left open by a guard, how serious is it? Donut buying serious or disciplinary panel serious? I was on a SWT train but did not manage to tell the guard after I got off.
     
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    Unless they've left their key in that activates it, usually absolutely zilch can be done by the average person. That said, I don't know how seriously this is looked upon by TOCs.
     
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    Was it a class 159? The covers on the door panels on 158/159 are notorious for not locking but you cant do anything with out a key anyway. And if you had a key you could open the flap...
     
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    I don't know of anyone being disciplined for leaving a door open. The buttons aren't live without a key, hence the panel is fail safe..

    as you yourself, didn't report it to the guard, through distraction, hopefully you can understand how it may have been left unlocked. Or indeed, understand that perhaps, the lock itself was broken and the fault had already been logged with fleet..
     
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    Sometimes they appear to be closed after being slammed, but spring open again, after walking away. This isn't helped by some slamming shut, some needing a lock to be turned to lock them, and nothing obvious to show which is which.

    I've never heard of anybody being disciplined for leaving them open, but it would be seen as sloppy practice, and every so often we get a memo about it. Although the concern is more about passengers catching themselves on the edge of a swinging panel door than anything else.
     
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    I have seen one left open with a key in at before at the other end of the train to where the guard was, so I presume that it could be made active? When getting off I did say that that there was a panel at the back that had been left open with a key in it. His response was pretty much "I know, but thanks anyway".

    In my view that's fair enough. If he didn't know, he did now. If he did, then no harm done. No need to go further as far as I'm concerned as a passenger.
     
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    On a similar theme I was surprised to see a guard on a Southeastern train leave his ticket machine on a seat whilst he went to do the doors, I would imagine he would have some explaining to do if some little toerag had nicked it
     
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    That would involve lots of paperwork and an interview without coffee...
     
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    Seems to be common practice on Southern WLL services, with the key usually left hanging lazily from the door.
     
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    Unless you have a carriage key (L or T Key) then you can't do anything. Sometimes the locks fail and they will just open. I didn't sign 158/9 so can't comment but 455 and Desiros are fail safe.
     
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    nicked yes - operated by the toerag, i doubt, as most batteries barely last a trip, let alone the time needed, to break the operators security log in :lol:
     
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    The real danger is on desiros with the GOP left ajar... theres a PA handset in there, which needs no key. Cue chaos :P
     
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    On certain units some buttons are live when the DKS is off which is potentially dangerous
     
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    Today I travelled on a VT service operated by two Voyagers. On arrival at Euston the vestibule cupboard containing many of the essential circuit breakers was wide open. I could have easily caused mayhem on that train with a few flicks of a breaker. Of course I didn't, I got out my t-key and closed the door. But a more malicious, or inquisitive person could have. Much more dangerous that a door control box left open
     
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    Kicked a few "little angels" off for that before :D
     
  16. GodAtum

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    It was a class 159.
     
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    Very common in these units and 158s.

    If the TOCs can't be fussed to fit proper doors or locks to these control panels, then they will continue to open themselves.
     
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    I have seen it on 444 / 450 once in a blue moon all it takes is a gentle tap and it is secure the door as they are on a spring loaded latch unless the catch is broken.
     
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    158/159s are laughable, some of them just will never lock and need replacing but because there's no real concern about them being accessed (they're not live unless keyed in), then there is certainly no rush and certainly never any disciplinary action!

    Leaving it on the "ON" position and walking away with the panel insecure is probably an informal meeting with your manager unless something serious happens.

    Nothing works on the panels without being keyed in on the 15x fleet.
     
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    It's the same on cl-170 which also have an alarm
     
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    Oh, that's a regular thing! Sometimes the guard might even be somewhere near the door with the key in, or they might be sitting at the opposite end of the carriage chatting to a mate ;)
     
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    Guilty as charged :D But I don't do WLL.. if i'm going to remain near that door I can't be bothered turning it all off and closing it up just to open it all again. Pure laziness i'll admit :lol:
     
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    One of the beauties of the first generation DMUs was that the starting buzzer was permanently on. One up train formed of 2X2 car Cravens was standing at Knebworth waiting time whilst the guard chatted with the railman on the platform when off went the train. Not possible to stop the train as the driver couldn't look back as it was on the up slow and he was offside.
    Schoolkids can be so trying at times.
    Following a call to the box the train was stopped before Woolmer Green and the driver authorised to drive back down the up slow to Knebworth.
    It also happened at Cambridge on a 2 car to Bishops Stortford. If memory serves the train was held at Shelford whilst the guard was driven there to catch his own train.
    Happy days.
     
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    Depends on what you mean by 'work' - you won't get far with a 153 with a local switch down even if the DKS is switched off - found that some out to my cost :oops:
     
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    Same on 150/2s and I found out for a similar reason :oops:

    But as others have commented, the locks on 158s are notoriously poor and most of the time when I'm working them I'll find at least one panel door hanging open that won't close. But without being keyed in, nothing works.
     
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    Yeah and sometimes the guard will manage to shut and lock the door with the local switch down meaning the driver cant get brake release! <D <(
     
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    Yes a far more regular occurrence than it should be! Guards keyed off, but forget to flick the local switch up!
     
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    On a 158 a local door switch can be open and it is possible to obtain break release
     
  29. 455driver

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    What about brake release though!
     
  30. craigybagel

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    For some reason on 158s you can key in and even flick open the local door switch whilst the train is on the move, and the door controls for that door will light up, but the brakes still won't kick in. Not something I've done intentionally obviously, but if the previous guard leaves the local switch open and you don't notice before you key in that's what happens......

    But again it's very important to emphasise that without keying in, on a 158/9 nothing will happen to the doors regardless of what buttons you press.
     
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