asylumxl
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If it is crush loaded in Standard then you have the benefit of more personal space while standing in FC if there are few or no others standing around you.
This is about the only genuine reply IMO
If it is crush loaded in Standard then you have the benefit of more personal space while standing in FC if there are few or no others standing around you.
Paying a first class fare does not guarantee any seat, first or standard. Any first class ticket only gives permission to travel in first class, not to automatically get a seat.
Ah, another stereotype. As Mumrar said earlier you can't stereotype people as 'fare dodgers'.
And surely compartments are better for carrying "unruly" passengers (assuming by unruly you probably mean making a noise? If not, what else do they do?) because it keeps them from disturbing other passengers?
I'm not sure if it has really, EltonRoad. Most people seem to either ignore what I've been saying or just don't read my posts properly.
I'd hope that replies by some of us were helpful! Tell you what, give FCC a ring and if you wish to discuss their answer, contact me. I'll send you a PM.I'm not sure if it has really, EltonRoad. Most people seem to either ignore what I've been saying or just don't read my posts properly.
I'd hope that replies by some of us were helpful! Tell you what, give FCC a ring and if you wish to discuss their answer, contact me. I'll send you a PM.
Penalty fares are not fines, and are used when no legal basis for prosecuting fare evasion exists, prosecution is deemed too drastic and costly, or is unlikely to result in conviction..
Last time I traveled on a FCC 365 (haven't read the full details of this problem) the sliding doors into the FC compartment have a huge sign on them explaining that this area is for FC tickets holders and a brief description of the penalties should you not comply.
But how can you pay when you don't know who you're actually supposed to be paying and have been given no instructions on what you're supposed to do?
The other week I took a First Capital Connect train from Kings Cross to Peterborough, the 00:36 service. I had a standard class ticket and as I boarded the train I grabbed the first seat that came to view, a first class seat. I knew it was first class and I know I was in the wrong but often taking late trains I didn't expect a ticket inspector to come through the train. Well he did, with a few British Transport cops. I was told I would be issued a penalty fare in the region of £82 (I can't remember the exact amount). I initially said I wouldn't pay but after hearing my options of either going to court or paying the fine I choose to pay the fine.
I was told that I would have three weeks to pay the fine and the copper and inspector took down my details. Now I've just receieved a letter telling me FCC intend to take me to court.
What the hell is going on here? I phoned them up straight away and was told penalty fares are normally paid on the spot. Why was I not informed of this on the train.
I've sent the enclosed form back telling them my side of the story.
Does anyone know what the likely otcome is? The last thing I wanted was for this to go to court.
Cheers
Has anyone got a number I can ring to try and arrange payment of the penalty fare (that I haven't actually got) then?
[I was given] Not a thing. I was a bit surprised to be honest, but having never been in that situation before I guessed that was just how they did things.
That's rather odd, mind ye. When SWT issued me with a PF years ago as previously described, the RPI filled in the PFN (Which was taken from a carbonised PFN book thingy) which I then signed, and I was given the top (White) copy for my reference. On the reverse of the PFN that I received was a clear outline of the PF procedure, advice on how to pay (Along with a payment slip) and other PF relevant information - Including an outline of my rights, and those of the TOC.I signed the paper form the inspector was filling out. The police officer also took down my details on his little electronic thingy.
Also, it is a bylaw offence to be drunk on a train - bylaw 7 I believe from memory.
Bugger!!! I'm guilty of that one a few times!!! (and most people on late night trains!!)
I've got the feeling that those of us who have might've read Cessna's 3rd post a little too quickly. In it, he says:Forgive me but what post is everyone getting the information about the OP being drunk from?
Is it possible that some of us thought Fatigue + Late night departure = Alcofluence of Incohol?Mate, I know I was stupid for sitting there. It was late, I was tired and I took the first seat I came too. I don't think I'm better than anyone, I take the train fairly often unfortunately and nearly always stand. This was a stupid little mistake.
That's always the best policy in any dealings with the Police, and I'll advise Cessna to avoid implying inebriation unless he genuinely was under the influence that night.It probably isn't advisable to go the police station and say you don't remember anything because you were drunk, when you weren't. It would be much easier to tell the truth.
I'll certainly back that one up. I was once prevented from entering the platforms at Guildford by an RPI who cited Byelaw VII and pointed to an open can of lager that I had in my possession. Although of course there was nothing wrong in what I'd done, I did have to miss my intended departure whilst I left the station premesis to finish off my beer!Also, it is a bylaw offence to be drunk on a train - bylaw 7 I believe from memory.
Mate, I know I was stupid for sitting there. It was late, I was tired and I took the first seat I came too. I don't think I'm better than anyone, I take the train fairly often unfortunately and nearly always stand. This was a stupid little mistake.